This is how FPV jammers are often field-checked in Russo-Ukrainian war. It doesn't test frequencies or spectrum quality, but is a useful indicator, that jammer is actually emitting (has power and is turned on), so you can be sure, that if it's up to spec and covers frequently used frequencies at your location - it actually tries to do it's job, instead of being a costly paperweight.
They have am much lower current and voltage requirement, so might me more sensitive. You can also do tuning to use different sized antenna. However that strays into analogue eletronics, which I've not really touched for 15 years.
I've tested a few microwaves from different manufacturers with my phone a few years ago. I think I looked at some file in my router (OpenWRT), but I can't recall. I got a lot of dropped packets each time. The amount of degradation was similar for the different microwaves.
I had to put the phone close to the microwave to detect this. The degradation was obviously stronger when the phone was closer.
If your friend experiences noticeable degradation regardless of the distance within the room, it might be worrisome.
But I think it's normal to have some interference. That doesn't necessarily mean enough of the 2.4 GHz radiation escapes the microwave to be harmful to an animal, as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and so on are very weak, comparatively.
Funny thing is, after putting my phone inside a closed turned off microwave, it got Wi-Fi, although very weak. I didn't try that with all the microwaves, but with 2 or 3 of them.
I think the Faraday cage around the microwave was built to be good enough for safety, but it wasn't built with Wi-Fi interference in mind.
Disclaimer: I might be wrong, as I don't have enough background to make any bold claims.
> If your friend experiences noticeable degradation regardless of the distance within the room, it might be worrisome.
Probably not. I recall calculating it once, and the legal requirements for microwave oven shielding still allow it to produce a few watts of 2.4Ghz leakage. This is contrasted to 50mW typical WiFi AP power, and 5-50mW BlueTooth powers.
A few watts is totally non-dangerous to humans, especially diffused across the entire door.
Microwaves degrade everyone's 2.4 GHz ISM band radios. Wi-Fi occupies the ISM band because it's a garbage band that was already wrecked by this type of equipment. There isn't a solution to this; the safe leakage from a microwave oven is millions of times more powerful than wifi field strength. 5 or 6GHz band avoids the problem.
There is a solution. Spread-spectrum methods for digging out signals from deep in the noise floor. It's just maths, but the amount of noise you can reject that way is really nuts.
Sounds like he’s in need of a new microwave. Not tongue-in-cheek; sounds like there’s something up with the shielding, and if it’s not visible, how will you know if it gets worse?
Edit: I see no reason this wouldn’t work, however?
There is not substantial variance from one microwave to the next. They are all made by one outfit, then dressed up in different superficial brands and priced randomly. The emissions of a microwave oven are regulated by the FDA, not the FCC.
Other than phones and laptops (i.e. "real computers"), most devices only support 2.4, no? I can't recall the last time I set up a non-computer device that didn't say "make sure you're using a 2.4GHz network"...
(I imagine it's a much lower cost to only handle 2.4GHz?)
I was curious so checked my network. I've got 21 things on 2.4 and 16 things on 5.
The 16 are 4 computers (2 Macs, a Surface Pro 4, and an RPi 4), 3 mobile devices (iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch), 3 media devices (Fire TV, Nintendo Switch, and Kindle Oasis), one smart plug, a Brother printer, 3 smart speakers (Google Home Mini, two Echos), and an EV charger.
Shorter antenna and faster diode. A Schmitt trigger would allow for much more sensitivity, but it would not be a passive device (requires a power source)
Depends on the length of the antenna. I'd bet you can get a length close enough to be a quarter-wave 5Ghz and 1/2-wave 2.4ghz antenna. Just buy a 2.4/5Ghz combo antenna and slap the diodes across it.
Oh, I didn't know that and searching for ifh abbreviation on urban dictionary brings back what I think your curious about. Unfortunate coincidence. All my usernames are random strings. Good to know though.
These stopped working since 2G, since it uses radically less power. Altho I did recall seeing some fancy phone cases with blinkies on 3G… never could replicate it sadly. I guess with a lot of joule thief/stepup circuits it might work…
A friend of mine has a microwave that noticeably degrades his wifi when it is in use.
"you can build a tiny “crystal detector” that responds to 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and even microwave oven leakage"
They have am much lower current and voltage requirement, so might me more sensitive. You can also do tuning to use different sized antenna. However that strays into analogue eletronics, which I've not really touched for 15 years.
I had to put the phone close to the microwave to detect this. The degradation was obviously stronger when the phone was closer.
If your friend experiences noticeable degradation regardless of the distance within the room, it might be worrisome.
But I think it's normal to have some interference. That doesn't necessarily mean enough of the 2.4 GHz radiation escapes the microwave to be harmful to an animal, as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and so on are very weak, comparatively.
Funny thing is, after putting my phone inside a closed turned off microwave, it got Wi-Fi, although very weak. I didn't try that with all the microwaves, but with 2 or 3 of them.
I think the Faraday cage around the microwave was built to be good enough for safety, but it wasn't built with Wi-Fi interference in mind.
Disclaimer: I might be wrong, as I don't have enough background to make any bold claims.
Probably not. I recall calculating it once, and the legal requirements for microwave oven shielding still allow it to produce a few watts of 2.4Ghz leakage. This is contrasted to 50mW typical WiFi AP power, and 5-50mW BlueTooth powers.
A few watts is totally non-dangerous to humans, especially diffused across the entire door.
Edit: I see no reason this wouldn’t work, however?
(I imagine it's a much lower cost to only handle 2.4GHz?)
The 16 are 4 computers (2 Macs, a Surface Pro 4, and an RPi 4), 3 mobile devices (iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch), 3 media devices (Fire TV, Nintendo Switch, and Kindle Oasis), one smart plug, a Brother printer, 3 smart speakers (Google Home Mini, two Echos), and an EV charger.
[1] https://datasheet4u.com/pdf-down/H/S/M/HSMS-2862_AgilentTech...
Really wish I was clever enough to do electronics!
This sort of thing is definitely why I come the HN.
See Dipole Calculator: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/dipole
And you need a faster diode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting