2 comments

  • tonoto 1 hour ago
    Ouch, investment in GPU isn't a one off, you also need to invest newer generations (that naturally comes with a bigger price tag) to attract customers long term. How will this business ever become profitable before the bubble bursts?
    • Twirrim 59 minutes ago
      You're somewhat assuming there aren't customers lined up wanting capacity.
      • lumost 3 minutes ago
        There is a big question on the ROI of those customers. It's clear that the frontier labs are delivering something people care about, but how much do the tier 2 labs deliver that people are paying for now?
      • segfaultex 51 minutes ago
        To what extent is that demand from frontier labs? Purportedly, Anthropic is a significant chunk of GCP rev.

        How much runway will the creditors give those labs until they expect a ROI?

        The financial underpinning the AI build out make zero sense, but we've seen the market remain irrational for long periods of time.

        • keeda 7 minutes ago
          We have some idea about the demand. As a data point, the cloud hyperscalers have in aggregate 2.3T in backlogs or “Remaining Performance Obligations” — i.e. payments committed by customers for remaining services provided over the next few years — of which about ~1T is from OpenAI and Anthropic. That still leaves 1.3T from other customers.

          As another data point, these backlogs were at ~0.5T in 2022, before the AI boom started. Google for instance registered a 390% growth YoY in backlogs.

          That’s not too far from the trillions being invested in the buildout.

          I would say the irrationality of this buildout is exaggerated. It makes more sense to look at it as these companies making an existential bet on their futures.

          • zamalek 1 minute ago
            You don't address circular financing at all.
      • tonoto 51 minutes ago
        Of course there's still a big demand as there are massive plans on building AI DC all over the planet, but at the same time this are supposedly not an anomaly - wouldn't most customers eventually want newer gear (or reduction in cost)?
      • PeterStuer 50 minutes ago
        At what price? I would have unlimited customers lined up selling dollars for 50ct.
    • Analemma_ 1 hour ago
      Before Tuesday the plan was to get a bailout from their buddies in the White House on "national security" grounds. That became much less viable now that Trump is a lame duck and anti-datacenter ballot measures passed everywhere, which is probably why e.g. CoreWeave is down 20% since the election.
    • Betelbuddy 20 minutes ago
      "UUUAAAAHHHH!!!"

      That was the sound of Ed Zitron ghost....

    • dude250711 1 hour ago
      Given the average bubble-prediction accuracy, there might as well be a few centuries before it bursts. Which would give some time.
  • neural_thing 56 minutes ago
    This is a nothingburger. Microsoft declining to renew a deal for 2023 A100s that power Bing because they want newer chips in house.

    Oracle can re-rent them at spot at a higher price anyway.

    Apparently a lot of market participants are too scared to be able to read today.