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  • danielhanchen 1 hour ago
    If anyone has any questions as well - feel free to ask!

    We also updated https://huggingface.co/unsloth/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017-GGUF with UD3.1 quants

    And also https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF as well!

    We provide our benchmarking methods like what graders we use, infra fixes and issues and more in https://unsloth.ai/docs/basics/dynamic-3.0-ggufs/dynamic-3.1...

    • rdslw 9 minutes ago
      how to best run your 27G v3.1 quants on recent mac hardware with 32-64gb of ram. mlx etc. ?

      what would you recommend re: software stack for best pp/tg overall performance?

      • danielhanchen 4 minutes ago
        Oh llama.cpp has massively improved so it should function well! We're also making MLX faster soon!
  • dajonker 2 hours ago
    This is a great area of research with many players. See also ByteShape https://byteshape.com/blogs/Qwen3.8-27B/ (I'm not affiliated)
  • aliljet 4 hours ago
    There are so many of us with weak GPUs and these updates are massive wins. Still waiting for the 2080 moment where this 27B param model and a reasonable kv cache can exist and function at slow, but overnight-burning speeds ..
    • danielhanchen 1 hour ago
      Yes! One method is KV cache compression to 4-bits - llama.cpp does have hadamard, but it's not very accurate - we were researching if 4-bit KV cache can be used with a sliding window of 1024 for example of 8-bit KV cache

      So we can have a 4bit KV cache, but the most recent N tokens can be 8bit - we found accuracy improves 2x!

    • 3eb7988a1663 3 hours ago
      As an experiment I took, not this current quant, of Qwen 3.8 27B and had it analyze some of my writing in CPU-only mode with llamacpp. Tried a Q4 and Q5. It was dreadfully slow, but you fire that off before bed, and you can get results the next day. This was a ~6000 word markdown file, took maybe 10 minutes before it started generating anything at all, but then it just cranks away. I would need to tune down the default thinking intensity, but it otherwise did the job.

      Not compatible with vibe coding, but if you want a local tool to review content, it is possible today.

      • badsectoracula 1 hour ago
        FWIW depending on what exactly you want to review something smaller like Gemma 4 E4B would be much faster. On my 7yo 3700X, llama.cpp runs Gemma 4 E4B UD-Q4_K_XL with a 131k context (context size doesn't seem to make much of a difference in speed) at ~10-15 tps (using MTP draft).

        I'm mainly using it when i need some simple stuff and Qwen 3.8 27B is already occupied in the background :-P

      • jedbrooke 3 hours ago
        I’ve been using Bonsai 2 (also based off of Qwen3.8 27B) on my mac mini in this way (using pizza-bot for the harness). In my case I’ve been using more for deep web search type stuff. It’s been a nice workflow to kick off a request in the evening and come back to a 1 page report on it the next morning.
        • alex43578 1 hour ago
          It’s fun, but it’s just so tough to see the value when the same research report via ChatGPT is done in 5 minutes and likely higher quality, for less than a dollar a day.
    • Incipient 2 hours ago
      This would depend hugely on the price of electricity, however I'm pretty sure where I am (at roughly 25c/kwh in usd) the price of running qwen costs more than 6.1-luna per token. So other than privacy (which doesn't matter for my work) there isn't any justification for running locally. Is privacy purely what people justify local models on?
      • girvo 1 hour ago
        Depends. The running costs of the DGX Spark-like’s GB10 are very low; they run at crazy low wattages really. But they’re expensive devices
      • stkdump 2 hours ago
        Doesn't Qwen3.8 do much better than Luna?
      • otabdeveloper4 1 hour ago
        You can rent a dedicated server. It's easy and costs 10 times less than a "cloud".
      • NooneAtAll5 1 hour ago
        if privacy doesn't matter for you, why use expensive luna instead of deepseek?
  • hacker_88 4 hours ago
    Figuring out local llms , but it did built me single page html . On 12 GB VRAM and 16 GB ram windows .
    • aliljet 3 hours ago
      Give us more details. What kind of hardware? What kind of setup?
  • nout 5 hours ago
    How does it compare to the 3.8-27B versions from TensorFold? I.e. does it make sense to run unsloth via TensorFold engine?
  • sroussey 1 hour ago
    How do you know which parameters matter?

    Less important parameters should get quantized more, seems odd that we would quantize every parameter the same. At least for storage.

  • ilaksh 6 hours ago
    How do the smallest quants of this compare to Bonsai 2?
    • jedbrooke 3 hours ago
      Bonsai 2 does some additional tuning in addition to just quantizing (mostly around the fp16 block weights per 32 params), so they’re able to pack more in to just so few GB.

      The tradeoff with unsloth seems to be that it’s more directly applicable for other off the shelf open models, whereas with Bonsai you’d have to wait for them to release another one

    • DiabloD3 6 hours ago
      Bonsai 2 doesn't work at all, Unsloth's smallest... also doesn't work, but is still better.

      Bonsai's technology would be better suited for 100s of B models.

      • ycui7 2 hours ago
        Bonsai 2 is quite bad, it cannot even reliably retrieve multiple needles. regardless what the benchmark says.
        • sroussey 2 hours ago
          Every model is bad at needle in a haystack. I am constantly shocked at how often they fail my evals.
          • magicalhippo 10 minutes ago
            Depends on how unique the needles are. If they're fairly unique then even Qwen 3.5 27B @ Q5 with 128k context and Q4 KV cache has perfect recall of at least up to 5 needles, according to my tests.

            But I'm sure if you make them less unique they'll start to struggle.

          • alex43578 1 hour ago
            Every local and reasonable model is bad at that. It’s OpenAI’s own benchmark, so take it with a grain of salt, but “GPT-6 Astra achieved 100.0% accuracy on contexts from 256K to 512K tokens and 96.3% accuracy from 512K to 1M tokens on OpenAI's 8-needle long-context benchmark”.
  • quaddoggy 3 hours ago
    Just installed Qwen 3.8 Splash tonight (doesn’t appear on linked page). Super impressed. Easily averaging 45 tps, even with thinking on. Totally acceptable. Running M4 Mac mini, 48GB, LM Studio.
  • jan_Sate 6 hours ago
    Awesome! I wonder how it does at Q5+ compared with v3.0
  • namjh 5 hours ago
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